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Term limits are here to stay

Anybody who has been inside a courtroom knows its risky to predict the outcome of a case based only on the questions that judges ask attorneys. But we’re pretty sure that, based on the Supreme Court’s grilling of lawyers on either side of the term limits question, that term limits are here to stay!

Legislative Counsel Bureau attorney Kevin Powers did his very best to argue Question 9, approved in 1994, was so riddled with confusion that voters could not possibly have known what they were voting on. For example, he said, there was no definition in the explanation of the measure about what a “local governing body” was. That could include anything from the city council to the mosquito abatement district, he said.

“There’s no way the voter would have known the breadth and scope of this initiative,” Powers said.

Oh, and another thing: It wasn’t clear to the voters if the measure imposed a lifetime term limit ban — like the one in place for president or governor — or if lawmakers could sit out a term and then come back to serve another 12 years. (The Legislative Counsel Bureau, after much research, concluded it was a lifetime ban.)

Finally, he argued, the Nevada Supreme Court’s splitting of the measure into two separate questions — one for executive and legislative branch term limits, another for judges — was unconstitutional, since the constitution requires that initiatives to amend the constitution be on the ballot in the “same manner” in two consecutive elections, and the 1994 version and 1996 version were dissimilar.
But Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto shot back with some major legal mojo: Since the measure is now part of the constitution, it’s presumed to be legal and constitutional, which means the Legislature has a high bar to get it struck down. And it didn’t meet that bar because:

  1. Waiting 12 years to challenge the constitutionality of the measure was too long.
  2. Voters would be prejudiced if the law is struck down, because they’d have to start all over again.
  3. The explanation didn’t have to address every single office affected by term limits; if a voter had a question, he or she needed only to read the text, which contained a list of the affected offices.
  4. The fact that Question 9 imposed a lifetime ban was clear from the text.
  5. The Nevada Supreme Court already said the 1996 split of the question into two was legal and constitutional.
  6. Even if that split wasn’t, the term limits for local and state officials were approved in the exact same manner in two consecutive elections.
  7. Voters have a right to expect their wishes would be enacted by the court.

We’ve got to say: She’s pretty good, people.

And if Cortez Masto wasn’t enough, enter the formidable Dominic Gentile, representing Regent Steve Sisolak, who is desperately trying to get veteran Clark County Commissioner Bruce Woodbury off the ballot, since Sisolak covets Woodbury’s seat.

Voters misled? Where’s the proof? Gentile asked. Where are the polls, or surveys or even a single affidavit of a voter saying he or she didn’t understand what was on the ballot in 1994? The Legislature has had 14 years to find proof, he said, but came only with arguments and speculation.

“If there was a problem with the elective process, they knew it in 1994,” he said. And what about the 196,343 people who voted no? Were they somehow not confused? If so, why did they get it but the pro-term limits voters didn’t?

“I suggest to you what you’re seeing is a finagle,” he said. And he should know, since he recently looked that word up.

And isn’t it interesting that not a single lawmaker has emerged to challenge term limits personally? The Legislative Counsel Bureau, which represents the entire Legislature, spoke instead for the interests of lawmakers.

(Then again, if lawmakers can be implicitly accused of cowardice for not challenging the law themselves, what does that say about Sisolak, who is explicitly challenging Woodbury’s candidacy because he knows full well he couldn’t beat the Boulder City Republican in a stand-up electoral fight?)

Georlen Spangler went next, representing Kevin Child, who is challenging Assembly Speaker Barbara Buckley in November. (Unlike Sisolak, who has a good chance at a commission seat with Woodbury off  the ballot, it’s not entirely clear if Child could win even if Buckley was erased.)

Why did the Legislative Counsel Bureau not raise the issue of unclear or confusion language when the petition was being circulated? she asked. And she fixated on the inevitable assumption that underlay Powers’s arguments: “I was here then [in 1994]. I voted. I don’t think I’m stupid,” she said.

“Equity aids the vigilant, not those who slumber on their rights,” she said. Lawmakers are hoping the court strikes down term limts, she said, but aren’t willing to stick their necks out and risk voter wrath. Why, do you think could she have been suggesting to the judges that if they stick their black-robed necks out, they might experience voter wrath? We think so.

Powers restated a few points in rebuttal, the strongest of which was noting that the Wyoming Supreme Court allowed a term-limits challenge 11 years after the fact, since the measure had not yet taken effect. That’s similar to Nevada, where no one has (yet) been forced off the ballot.

Again, reading questions is tricky, but based on the strength of the arguments and some fairly prominent holes in Powers’s case, we’re betting the court upholds Nevada’s term limits, saves themselves the grief of voter wrath and says goodbye this year to some local officials, if not state lawmakers like Buckley. That’s just a guess, and worth precisely what you pay to read this blog.

Finally, here’s our simple argument against term limits, which the justices are free to consider: Voters in 1994 clearly intended all officials in Nevada — legislative, executive and judicial — to be term-limited by the same simple amendment to the constitution. Their will was thwarted, and the constitution violated, when that question was molested by the court and split into two in 1996. Yes, you can argue the voters were allowed to attenuate their will when the court gave them the choice to separately rule on judges, but how could you not argue further that perhaps the voters intended to limit only the Assembly and Senate, and, given the chance, would have also exempted city council and county commissions? The fact is, there were not given that chance; they put everybody in one initiative, and that’s how it should have stayed. Voters choose in virtually every election to take the good with the bad (say, voting for Hillary Clinton for president, even if you don’t like her vote for the Iraq War). The court frustrated clear all-or-nothing voter intent in 1994, and thus the whole thing should be tossed.

Of course, that’s easy for us to say. We’re not on the court. Or in office.

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6 Responses to “Term limits are here to stay”

[...] Term limits are here to stay [...]

 

Rory Reid has somebody to be afraid of in Catherine Cortez-Masto. Smart AND good looking. I wonder if daddy has her on his lunch list?

Written by: TheGuyByTheDoor on Tuesday, Jul. 15, 2008 at 11:23 AM

You obviously are a BIG fan of Woodbery. Sure maybe Sisolok is taking adavantage of the situation and opportunity, but is that bad? Maybe he was paying attention and the others weren’t? Should he be punished for that? Maybe he would beat him anyway? I don’t like term limits, but some of these incumbents are tooooo powerful and would never be voted out without them.

Written by: Richie on Monday, Jul. 14, 2008 at 9:08 PM

So, with no opponent, who gets to run for Thalia Dondero’s Regent District seat? Does the Democratic and Republican Party each get to put one name on the primary ballot?

Written by: dave404 on Monday, Jul. 14, 2008 at 2:20 PM

Attorney Dom Gentile quoted the court from Stumpf v. Lau, 108 Nev. 826, 839 P.2d 120 (1992)., when it removed an issue off the ballot in advance, “Were we, at a later date, after the voters had twice approved the measure, to declare that the term limit proposition was, just as its proponents suggest, merely a straw poll and of no legal force or effect, the people of this state would be understandably and justifiably outraged and enraged at such irresponsibility on the part of the highest court in this state.”

That is why it is just too late for the legislature, after sandbagging for a 14 years, to bring a procedural challenge even if there were one to make.

Written by: Greg Schmid on Monday, Jul. 14, 2008 at 2:16 PM

Use Common Sense and a Dictionary to solve the Term Limits Debate.

The Nevada Constitution says: If a majority of such voters votes approval of such amendment, the Secretary of State shall publish and resubmit the question of approval or disapproval to a vote of the voters at the next succeeding general election in the same manner as such question was originally submitted.

“Same manner” refers to procedure, not to form.

Black’s Law Dictionary (5th Edition) defines the term: Manner. A way, mode, method of doing anything; or mode of proceeding in any case or situation. Custom and Usage.

Ballentine’s Law Dictionary (3rd edition) also defined the term: Manner. Way of performing or executing; method; custom; habitual practice. People ex rel Ahrens v English 139 Ill 622, 629(1892).

People ex rel Ahrens v English 139 Ill 622, 629 says, “The word ‘manner’ is usually defined as meaning way of performing or exercising; method; custom; habitual practice, etc.”, and the court applied it to the case at hand as meaning, “the usual, ordinary, or necessary details required for the holding of the election”.

The term does not mean the same exact form, and no common sense construction of the term would reach a different conclusion. It refers to custom and usage, the ordinary procedure common to two different instances. If the constitution meant “in the same form” it would have said “in the same form” or the common phrase”in the same manner and form” (Latin: Modo et forma). The phrase “same manner” is much vaguer and refers a method or process, unlike the phrase “same form”, and it is no wonder the court in 1996 ruled exactly the way it did. They were right when they ruled: We believe the above proposed ballot presents the same language and proposal as was contained in the 1994 ballot question; and that this meets the Constitutional requirement that the ballot question be submitted to the voters “in the same manner”. Nev. Const. Art.19, Sec 2(4). The only change is that the ballot proposal is presented to the voters in two questions rather than one and there is a greater explanation concerning the impact of term limits on the judiciary.

Written by: Greg Schmid on Monday, Jul. 14, 2008 at 2:03 PM
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