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Let’s talk about prostitution

Mayor Oscar Goodman says we should be able to have a conversation about legalizing prostitution in Las Vegas. We happen to agree. So let’s do it.

First, let us make one observation: While we suspect Goodman’s heart may be inclined in the direction of legalized brothels in Sin City, it’s clear he’s not going to put his money where his mouth is on the issue. Goodman said at his regular news conference today that Las Vegans have too many moral or religious objections to prostitution to legalize the practice, which is legal in certain counties in Nevada, including nearby Nye County. (In order to be legalized in Las Vegas, the state Legislature would have to approve it.)

"It’s a legitimate topic to be discussed," Goodman says, noting that illegal prostitution is going on all around us every day. "To pretend that it doesn’t exist is to be an ostrich," he added.

OK, fine. We’re perfectly willing to admit that there’s as much prostitution going on inside high-class hotels on the Strip as there is on Fremont Street. It’s just that Fremont Street gets more police attention, one of many myriad hypocrisies that attend this issue in Las Vegas.

After going through some of the benefits of legalized prostitution (we’ll go into more detail below), Goodman concluded "My constituents aren’t ready for it, though. … Rational people could conclude that legalization is fine, except for the religious and moral aspects."

OK, fine. We can deal with that right now: If you have religious objections to prostitution, don’t visit prostitutes. Discourage your friends and associates from visiting prostitutes, too, if you’d like. Protest on the sidewalk out in front of a brothel, if you feel very strongly about it. Ditto for those with non-religious moral objections.

So, what’s the problem?

Our take on the mayor’s stance is this: He’s right in saying the issue should be discussed. But if he’s already decided that religious and moral objections are too great to allow for the legalization of prostitution in town, why should we have a discussion about it? It’s a waste of time, unless that discussion is going to lead to more education, more enlightenment and the possibility of eventually legalizing brothels in Clark County.

And here’s why we think we should do that. (Call us a misogynist if you will; we’ll deal with that later.)

1.) Ending exploitation. Anti-prostitution advocates are swift to note that women — especially underage women — are often exploited by human traffickers and sexual slave traders. Far from choosing to use their bodies to make money, these women are exploited and used by others for profit. But the reason is that prostitution is illegal; if it were a legal, licensed and regulated business — as it is in some other counties in Nevada — there would be far less profit in sexual slavery. Moreover, violence against women by pimps would be eliminated.

2.) Public health and safety. Currently, if a man wants to use the services of a prostitute, he cruises down to a stroll, pulls over, negotiates a deal and trades money for a sex act. (This is what we hear, you understand, and see on TV. With our incredible good looks and sexy bald head, we’ve no need of prostitutes. Not that we’re condemning it or anything.)

In this process, the customer risks catching a sexually transmitted disease, getting robbed by either the prostitute or her pimp, being extorted for even more cash, not to mention being arrested and having his name and booking photo become a public record.

If prostitution were legal, the sex workers at brothels would be regularly tested by the state for STDs, and would be required to practice safe sex. Customers would feel much more comfortable in legal, regulate brothels, which would have special privileged licenses granted by the state. License holders (similar to gambling license holders) would have a built-in incentive to avoid any kind of crime in their establishments, including drug use by sex workers, lest they lose a lucrative license. And underage prostitution, like underage gambling, would be virtually wiped out.

3.) Tax revenue. It’s guaranteed that all the money changing hands between illegal prostitutes and customers is untaxed revenue; licensing brothels would eliminate that problem. Goodman said at his news conference that he’s had casino owners tell him that, if prostitution were legalized, they’d build nice brothels. If you gaze at some of the nicer strip clubs around town (which we never do; we’re off the market, ladies!) we totally believe that’s true.

4.) Hooker "strolls." There would be no need for prostitutes to congregate on street corners or in certain areas of town, dragging down redevelopment efforts and property values. Business would be conducted in legal, licensed establishments, the way gambling and drinking is conducted now. How many illegal craps games or moonshine operations did police have to investigate this year? Not a lot, we’d guess, when you can legally gamble and drink inside places built for those purposes.

5.) Proven track record. Everything we’ve said up until now isn’t just us popping off, as usual. We have a real-life, American example of these things at work, in Nevada’s legal brothels. The model used there could easily be expanded to other counties, with similar results.

6.) Elimination of a fiat crime. Ever notice that neither person involved in a prostitution transaction calls the cops? That’s because there’s no direct "victim" in this crime, save for the peace, dignity and morals of the state. That’s why cops have to do "stings" to catch the perpetrators, who are consenting adults who’ve come to a mutually agreeable business transaction. There’s no real victim here.

(Some will argue that wives who are cheated on and families that disintegrate because of prostitution are victims, and that’s true in a moral sense, if not a legal one. But by that standard, we should also outlaw adultery, since it has the same effects.)

7.) Philosophical consistency. If you say you’re "pro-choice," you have to mean more than just "in favor of abortion rights." You have to mean that you believe a woman (or a man, for that matter) should be able to do with her body what she wishes. If that means being a homemaker and stay-at-home mom, fine. If that means posing for Playboy, fine. So long as the choice is free and not coerced, then being pro-choice means respecting the choices that women make. Goodman said as much when he noted that "I believe a woman has a right to choose."

So, what to make then of New York Times columnist Bob Herbert’s column slamming Goodman and Las Vegas for mistreating women? (Our hearty thanks to the Las Vegas Gleaner for posting the text which is ordinarily available only to rich Times subscribers.)

"There is probably no city in America where women are treated worse than Las Vegas," Herbert begins. "The tone of systematic, institutionalized degradation is set by the mayor, Oscar Goodman, who told me in an interview that the city would reap ‘tremendous’ benefits if a series of ‘magnificent brothels’ could be established to cater to johns from across the country and around the world."

Now, we’ve had our differences with Goodman, but not on this issue. Here, we must ask: What degradation? Unless, of course, you believe that all prostitution is de facto degrading to women. Some people believe that. (We suspect that a bill to legalize the practice in Nevada would not get the votes of several prominent female, pro-choice, pro-women lawmakers for that very reason.)

The other side of the coin may just as easily be argued: Prostitution, along with stripping, posing for Playboy or other work in the sex trade, is empowering to women, so long as the choice is truly theirs. It’s when the choice is not entirely voluntary that demoralization sets in. As Goodman said at his news conference: "If a woman is forced into it, psychologically or otherwise, it would be degrading." But if not? Then why not?

It’s true that Las Vegas tends to objectify women, turning them into sex objects. It’s true that many men come here for cheap, meaningless sex with anonymous strangers, knowing (or hoping) that what happens here stays here. But that won’t change with the legalization of prostitution, and it won’t change if prostitution remains illegal. And we think it’s simply wrong to accuse Goodman of misogyny just because he thinks it might be better if prostitution were legal.

Part of the debate should have to do with the city’s image, but we’d be remiss if we didn’t note that the city’s advertising campaigns virtually promise sex to every visitor, male or female. Otherwise, why would anybody care if what happened here went elsewhere? Would some visitors not come (or be banned by their wives or girlfriends from coming) if prostitution were legal? Perhaps. But a person inclined to cheat will find a partner and a place to cheat, whether prostitution is legal or not. Conversely, a faithful person wouldn’t cheat even if lodged in a legal brothel.

Now, we must say we don’t agree with the mayor’s rhetorical excesses in the wake of Herbert’s column, such as threatening (in a sidebar in today’s Review-Journal) to break Herbert’s head with a baseball bat. NRS 170.060, in fact, provides for a complaint and warrant of arrest to issue against "…any person who has threated to commit an offense against the person or property of another." While Goodman may argue, as outlined in NRS 170.080 that there is "no just reason to fear the commission of the offense," it’s still not a good idea to go around threatening people, especially if by "people" you mean, "New York Times op-ed columnists with millions of readers."

In explanation, Goodman could only offer "If I really meant it, I wouldn’t have said it," and added, "baseball bats aren’t used on people’s heads, let’s put it that way." We suppose that might be an attempt at an apology, but we can’t be sure.

Anyway, Goodman has (had?) nothing to apologize for with respect to his views on prostitution. It may seem wrong to Herbert, and to anti-prostitution researcher Melissa Farley, who has a new book examining the issue (in a bad way) in Las Vegas, whom Herbert referred to in his piece. But that doesn’t mean it is bad. It just means there’s another side to the discussion that Goodman says should happen. To that end, we’ve ordered Farley’s book, and will examine that as well as talk to local researchers and advocates for their views. We’ll report back what we find.

Because if nothing else, Goodman’s right about one thing: This is worth discussing seriously. Anybody else have a view to share?

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25 Responses to “Let’s talk about prostitution”

What a surprise, a pro-prostitution, pro-porn activist wants to empower the women of Nevada to give him a blow job for $40. That’s might big of you, Mr. iamcurious blue.

Your argument seems to be that as long as there is one prostitute who says they are not abused, we should not do anything about those who are. Your compassion is underwhelming.

The most telling thing about this whole discussion is that the pro-prostitution activists have focused so much attention trying to tear down the reputation of a respected researcher and have spent no time talking about what they are doing to help the women who ARE abused in the legal and illegal prostitution industry in Nevada. A smear campaign is not a substitute for good public policy. It’s not even a substitute for good debate. It’s just smear.

Written by: anon on Sunday, Sep. 23, 2007 at 1:00 AM

Well, here we go with the personal attacks, which are all to typical when one of their idols is subject to criticism. If you want to talk about “behaviors” and “lashing out”, look no further than your own words, observer.

As for your statement about people being abused in the sex industry in Nevada, it might come as a surprise to you observer, but I’ve never claimed otherwise. What I do argue, as do many sex worker activists, is that sex work is not universally abusive and that many sex workers are there by choice. This is not to deny that some sex workers are in very abusive situations, especially on the more marginal end of the sex industry.

Nor do I think the people of Nevada should “look the other way”. I simply think that the people of Nevada ought to put in place laws that actually empower sex workers, both in terms of putting real power and protections for sex workers who want to stay in the industry and real help for those who want to leave. Rather than moralistic and punitive solutions against customers, that really do very little except make said moralists feel powerful because they’re punishing “bad guys”.

In any event, I encourage readers to have a look at the results of the blog in over at Bound Not Gagged for a POV of what many anti-abolitionist sex workers and their allies think about all of this. If you follow the comments, you’ll see a lively debate between them and abolitionists, including Jody Williams, who is part of Nevada Coalition Against Sex Trafficking. Read the arguments and make up your own mind. Link here:

http://deepthroated.wordpress.com/2007/09/18/the-morning-after/

Written by: Iamcuriousblue on Tuesday, Sep. 18, 2007 at 9:16 PM

I think that iamcuriousblue is exhibiting one of the strange behaviors inherent in this debate. When a strong researcher (who happens to be female) stands up and says, “hey, there are some people over here being abused by the sex industry”, it makes people nervous and it makes them lash out at the messenger. Too bad.

FACT: THERE ARE PEOPLE BEING ABUSED BY THE SEX INDUSTRY IN NEVADA.

I’m sorry if it makes you angry or defensive or makes you want to destroy the messenger. But that is what is really going on here.

In the end, it is up to the people of Nevada what they want to do about it. Maybe they want to look the other way. Maybe they have the integrity to do something about it. It’s really up to them.

Written by: observer on Tuesday, Sep. 18, 2007 at 9:01 PM

[...] One last thing. There was a lot of local discussion about legal prostitution in Nevada last week since to an editorial by the NYTimes’ Bob Herbert and the publication of Prostitution and Trafficking in Nevada: Making the Connections by Melissa Farley. People must remember that just because something is legal doesn’t mean everything is honky dory. Yes, women in Nevada have more options and are a bit more protected than would be if they were involved in illegal sex trafficking, but to deny that there are problems with prostitution in this state is ludicrous. Check out Bound and Gagged for responses to Farley’s book from actual sex workers. Its pretty good stuff. Related PostsReno 38% OverpricedResults Of Discontents Poll: New RSCVA Mission Statement Is Share and Enjoy: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]

 

“You, on the other hand have done zero research in the field, and published zero studies. So who should we trust as an expert?”

Give me fucking break, observer – how many publications do you have. To say that somebody who isn’t an “expert” in a particular field has no place evaluating social research, particularly social research that is being used to drive public policy, is utter and complete horseshit and you know it.

I suspect your basis for calling Weitzer a “poor” researcher is the same as your basis for calling Farley a “solid” researcher. You agree with Farley and disagree with Weitzer and evaluate accordingly.

As for Farley’s track record of published articles, I think if you eliminate for publications that are basically feminist journals, the number of peer-reviewed articles drops considerably.

As for “smear campaigns” Farley has been and is presently engaged in such a campaign vis-a-vis sex workers who disagree with her and of the sex industry. No reason she can’t be open to criticism herself.

And don’t go telling me what I can and can’t criticize. You don’t have a gag big enough to shut me up.

Written by: Iamcuriousblue on Sunday, Sep. 16, 2007 at 2:41 PM

Why is Melissa Farley a “solid researcher”?

Because she has over a decade of very well documented research on the topic. She has collaborated with dozens of fellow researchers. She has published over 25 peer-reviewed research articles on the topic. She edited the book used as a textbook in many college classes on the issue.

You, on the other hand have done zero research in the field, and published zero studies. So who should we trust as an expert?

You continue to trot out this one poor sociologist, Weitzer, who is also a pro-prostitution activist and who has also done zero original research in the field.

If you disagree with her conclusions, you are certainly free to do so. Intelligent people can disagree. But for you two men to run this kind of smear campaign on a respected researcher like the one you two are running on Farley is despicable and intellectually dishonest.

It’s also off topic in this discussion which was supposed to be about whether prostitution should be legalized in Las Vegas.

Written by: observer on Sunday, Sep. 16, 2007 at 2:27 PM

Pathetic? Just because I happen to disagree with you? Self-righteous much?

What is Melissa Farley a “solid researcher”? Because you say so? Because you happen to agree with her?

I’ve just put up an extensive post on my own blog here:

http://bppa.blogspot.com/2007/09/melissa-farleys-latest-bound-not-gagged.html

on what I think is questionable about Farley’s research methodology and its lack of transparency. I also point out that she’s hardly the only person to have done research on Nevada brothel prostitutes, yet other reseachers have come up with far more nuanced and less sensationalist conclusions. This points to Farley twisting her facts to support her agenda.

As for the whole issue of legal prostitution, I’m not so sure I owe it to you to give a detailed exposition of my politics around the issue. I will point out that as per the BAYSWAN link I posted above, I don’t think the Nevada model of legalization is at all a good one and is one that disempowers sex workers. I think the laws need to be changed to give sex workers far more power than they have now vis-a-vis brothel owners and local law enforcement, but obviously, there are many barriers dealing with Nevada’s “good old boy” system. And I think legal prostitution is largely irrelevant to the majority of prostitution in Nevada, since prostitution is still illegal in the actual places where most prostitution takes place, namely in the state’s major cities, especially Las Vegas.

As for your statement about Europe, Germany and Amsterdam are not moving to shut down legal prostitution – I don’t know where you picked up that “fact”. The Czech Republic may be moving towards something resembling the German/Dutch model to replace its chaotic and exploitative unregulated industry. And Spain, for its part, has just in the last month voted to keep the decriminalized and unregulated system it has always had.

The only countries who have imitated the “Swedish model” so beloved by prostitution abolitionists are Norway and Finland (in a highly limited way), and its being considered in ultra-paternalistic New Labor Britain. Actually, if you want to talk about “failed experiments”, look no further than Sweden. Google the words ’stockholm escort’ sometime and you’ll see just how effective the “Swedish model” has been in dealing with prostitution – its simply pushed prostitution indoors, the same as prostitution enforcement in the US has.

Written by: Iamcuriousblue on Sunday, Sep. 16, 2007 at 10:53 AM

How pathetic can you get, Peter? She’s a solid researcher and you hate her conclusions - we get that. Her research is quite methodical and standardized. If someone doubts her research, they can easily conduct their own. Where is yours?

Perhaps before you skewer the book you might want to read it. You might even learn a few things. Yes, her conclusion is that all prostitution is harmful to women, both legal and illegal. She is hardly the only person to conclude that. If you believe legal prostitution is so great, make the case. Let’s hear it.

If legal prostitution is so great, why are Germany and Amsterdam moving to shut it down? Because it legal prostitution is a failed social experiment that leaves thousands of damaged people in it’s wake. It does not end rape, it does not even end illegal prostitution. You don’t need to be a researcher to see that, just open your eyes.

Written by: observer on Friday, Sep. 14, 2007 at 3:52 PM

By the way, in case one is wondering about where the response is from the “other side”, there is a blog-in about this planned for the evening of Monday 9/17. More info here:

http://www.scapa-lv.org/whats_hot/lv_call_to_action.htm

Written by: Iamcuriousblue on Friday, Sep. 14, 2007 at 2:12 PM

Unlike you, observer, I do think that how Farley comes to her conclusions and whether they’re methodologically sound matters very much. I think there’s a great deal of evidence that Farley is pretty much faking her data to support a priori conclusions. That calls into question how germane her findings are to the overall debate.

And, by the way, “observer” do YOU actually have a copy of her report, much less read it?

Written by: Iamcuriousblue on Friday, Sep. 14, 2007 at 2:08 PM

I highly encourage people to read read read. What I think is irresponsible and childish is the need to trash Farley just because you don’t like her conclusions. Do your own research for heaven’s sake. The legal brothels are there every day. Vegas is open 24/7. I encourage everyone to check it out for themselves and draw their own conclusions.

I don’t know anyone who is demonizing sex workers. You clearly haven’t read her book if you think she is demonizing sex workers. And hey, I’m quuite sex-positive myself though I’m not sure what that has to do with the issue.

So why not just deal with the debate at hand. Whether you agree or disagree with Farley’s book, the question was about whether prostitution should be legalized in Las Vegas. Perhaps you could stop with the hostile attacks and just make your case for legalization.

Written by: observer on Friday, Sep. 14, 2007 at 2:02 PM

Really – care to point out any specific examples of anything in that article that’s “untrue” or unbalanced?

Melissa Farley is the very opposite of a “careful researcher”, and I have no problem pointing that out to those who are unfamiliar with the debate. The Wikipedia article references and links to great deal of information, including much that Farley herself has written, as well as debates that she has been involved in. I have to ask, why are abolitionists so threatened that people will read up on this background material and decide for themselves?

I find the ongoing demonization of sex worker and sex-positive activists by the abolitionist side to be the thing that’s truly Karl Rove-ian.

Written by: Iamcuriousblue on Friday, Sep. 14, 2007 at 1:51 PM

By the way, Farley has 25 scientific peer-review studies on sexual violence and prostitution. How many does iamcuriousblue have on the subjects?

Written by: observer on Friday, Sep. 14, 2007 at 1:46 PM

That is rich, iamcurious blue strolls in to trash Melissa Farley, then points to her page on Wikipedia which HE continually tries to trash by writing things on it that are simply untrue. Clever. Melissa Farley is a respected and careful researcher, get over it. This tactic of trying to kill the messenger because you don’t like the message is positively Karl Rove-ian.

Written by: observer on Friday, Sep. 14, 2007 at 1:41 PM

It good that you ordered Melissa Farley’s book to get the perspective first hand. However, you’d definitely be remiss if you didn’t read up on Melissa Farley’s background and where she’s coming from ideologically.

Basically, she’s a very extreme radical feminist that believes any buying of sex under any and all circumstances amounts to an act of rape. Also, her research methodology is highly questionable and she’s been called on this before. To say that she represents the interests of women in prostitution is debatable – there is a contingent of ex-prostitutes (who mostly have been involved in particularly abusive situations vis a vis prostitution) that support her. However, there’s also a large sex workers rights movement who are very opposed to her.

The following Wikipedia page offers a good introduction to Farley:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melissa_Farley

In particular, follow the links to the articles featuring her debates with social scientist Ronald Weitzer, which should provide good background info for evaluating her recent report. Also note that this report is self-published, meaning its not a peer-reviewed study. There’s good reason why Farley’s questionable methodology has a hard time making it through the peer review process.

Written by: Iamcuriousblue on Wednesday, Sep. 12, 2007 at 11:59 PM

And as per Jody’s comments calling you an “idiot”, you should realize that many such prostitution abolitionists have an unfortunate tendency to try to shout down or otherwise intimidate people who disagree with them. In spite of her statement to that “objections to illegal and legal prostitution have NOTHING to do with morality or religion either”, this is very much a *moral* issue with these people. It just happens that there morality is derived from a political ideology rather than religious tenets. This moralism is precisely why its such a hot-button issue with them.

Written by: Iamcuriousblue on Wednesday, Sep. 12, 2007 at 9:04 PM

I should also note that the “legal brothel” model of prostitution is NOT one that’s favored by most sex workers, even those that strongly favor decriminalization of both the buying and selling of sex. Basically, the legal brothels as they’re now constituted significantly compromise a the brothel worker’s freedom of movement and other basic liberties, and disempower them in ways that can lead to all kinds of abuses. There’s a good article on the subject from the sex workers rights group, BAYSWAN:

http://www.bayswan.org/Laura.html

Written by: Iamcuriousblue on Wednesday, Sep. 12, 2007 at 8:59 PM

My name is Jody and I wrote two of the chapters in Melissa’s book based on my own experiences in the sex industry. I appreciate your admitting you have never seen a prostitute yourself - because one thing is clear - you don’t know anything about this issue. To say that prostitution is a “victimless crime” is the same as saying that smokers are also committing a “victimless crime” when they light up a cigarette. However, with studies showing that 2nd hand smoke can actually be more harmful than 1st hand smoke - I think there are others who might argue that the person lighting up next to them in a bar is actually harming them. The tobacco companies used to cry the same cry - that smoking was a “victimless” vice and it wasn’t addictive and they didn’t add any chemicals into the cigs to make them more addictive. Research has given the public the truth so they can now make an educated decision. And lobbists have now made it so I can eat out in public and have a job without having my lungs fall out by the time I’m 50 because of 2nd hand smoke. This is the kind of research that Melissa is trying to deliver to Vegas - but it seems everyone wants to jump on the bash band wagon when by the Mayor’s admittance and your own - YOU HAVEN’T EVEN READ THE BOOK YET. Human trafficking exists in areas where there are legal brothels. Human trafficking also exists inside the legal brothels. As for the HIV testing of the prostitutes in a legal brothel - you are taking the johns’ side of this issue. Not realizing that the johns enter the brothel without any drug testing, weapons checks, HIV testing, or any health checks for things like TB, hepatitus, HPV, herpes, etc. So they are not safe for the women who staff these places. And if you think the women are safer in the legal brothels - again you don’t know any obviously because I just got told by a reporter from the Pahrump newspaper that a girl recently got shot in the leg by an irate john. You probably also don’t know that some working girls have reported that management disconnects the panic buttons in the rooms. I object to the attack that a “rational” person would not object to legalization - that only an irrational person would object on moral or religious grounds. I happen to be a very rational person - in fact I graduated high school to enter college by the time I was 16 years old. And my objections to illegal and legal prostitution have NOTHING to do with morality or religion either. To attack a person when you don’t know anything about the message they are delivering - well to me that’s just plain irrational. Next time - how about talking to someone who knows the subject first hand or try reading the book first before spouting off. What’s the saying - open your mouth and prove to everyone you’re an idiot . . . As far as I’m concerned that’s what you’ve just done here.

Written by: Jody on Monday, Sep. 10, 2007 at 6:28 PM

Mr. Sebelius

I appreciate your effort to get an intelligent discussion going about legal prostitution. Unfortunately, most of the points you make are common misconceptions about the issue of legal prostitution and don’t actually correlate with the reality experienced by women in legal brothels. To answer your inital points.

1.) Ending exploitation.

The truth is that there is trafficking and abuse in legal brothels. I asssume you will read about this in Farley’s book. The legal brothels in Nevada are a stain on the state. Many brothels make women sign long term contracts. You have to stay at least 14 days (sometimes more.) If you “choose” to leave before that period, you lose all the money you have made to date. The brothels take at least half the money paid by johns, often more, and then also charge the women for water and food (at outrageous prices.) You are pressured to accept every client, if you turn one down, you will be punished in some way. If a john wants sex without a condom, you are pressured to agree, which essentially means risking your life so that a man can have a more pleasant experience. Behind closed doors the johns can be very abusive, but you are not allowed to stop once the transaction is in progress and the panic buttons are a joke. You also have to service the brothel owner whenever he is in the mood. All of this sounds quite like exploitation to me.

2.) Public health and safety.

As mentioned above, there IS sex without condoms, no matter what the brothel owners tell you. HIV tests have an incubation period. There can be a considerable amount of time before a positive HIV status shows up on a woman’s test and she can have many partners in the meantime. At an average of 5 johns a day can mean a load of STD’s are being passed around.

3.) Tax revenue.

Making money off the sexual services of women is called pandering and pimping. Are you really comfortable having the state and the city be pimps? Have we really sunk that low? Will we be tempted to loosen the health and safety rules just a bit to make even more tax revenue? Maybe if we mandate that women have to service at least 20 men a day we can really bump up the revenues. Perhaps if we just tie the women down to the bed and have an assembly line of johns, we can improve efficiency. The whole idea of funding our schools off the sexual exploitation of desperate women is frankly disgusting.

4.) Hooker “strolls.”

As you point out, extreme drug users and underage girls would not be allowed (theoretically) which means they will still be on the street. Legal prostitution does not get rid of illegal prostitution. It has not done so in Amsterdam or Australia where it has been tried. Legal prostitution merely creates an atmosphere of women for sale, and the legality of the transaction doesn’t really matter that much to the john.

5.) Proven track record.

Legal prostitution does NOT work. Even the mayor of Amsterdam has been working hard to get rid of it. It creates a climate of abuse, exploitation, and trafficking. You definitely need to do more research on this.

6.) Elimination of a fiat crime.

You clearly need to better understand what drives women into prostitution. They don’t call the cops, because it does no good. There is a pullitzer prize out there for the reporter who has the balls to investigate the story about law enforcement involvement in prostitution in Nevada. The Mayor himself admitted last week that john’s constantly get rolled (robbed) in Vegas hotel rooms when they call in escorts. Can you think of why the johns might not want to report the crime? Hmmm. Police reports are public records and don’t necessarily “stay in Vegas”.

7.) Philosophical consistency.

Choice requires options. Most women in prostitution are completely out of options. And once you start, you feel as if you are scarred for life and can never get out. It is a nasty catch 22. There are very few girls with trust funds who choose to work in the legal brothels of Nevada!

If you want a philosophical consistency, check out the law in Sweeden. They have decided that women are full and complete human beings with a right to food, shelter, and dignity. They give women options other than prostitution which means women can REALLY make a choice. They arrest johns and pimps because buying and selling human beings is a human rights violation. And they have managed to eliminate 85% of the trafficking in the country and create a better quality of life for everyone.

In conclusion, Nevada is a fabulous state full of all kinds of natural wonders. Las Vegas is a tremendous city with great attractions and fun to be had. Vegas can be a much better, and world class city, by getting rid of the sad and seedy sex trade. This current sex industry is only possible if you keep feeding more and more and younger and younger girls into the pipeline to be used up and spit out. A great city doesn’t NEED to act like a pimp.

Thanks for reading. I look forward to more of your thoughts on this issue.

Written by: Jason on Monday, Sep. 10, 2007 at 12:25 PM

Steve – I agree; it’s time for residents to consider the legalization of prostitution in Clark County. Perhaps we can find a way to regulate the industry to the benefit of residents, sex workers, and sex patrons. Personally, I’d prefer that the police spend their time working on violent crime rather than monitoring sexual transactions. Cheers to Mayor Goodman for bringing up a subject considered taboo by other public figures. ~Amy (married, mother of two)

Written by: Amy on Monday, Sep. 10, 2007 at 12:17 PM

And then there’s the REAL prostitution:

Prostitute:

“A person who sells services or moral integrity for low and/or unworthy purposes.”

Where the heck is the FBI?

Written by: Sam Dehne on Saturday, Sep. 8, 2007 at 11:56 AM

Steve,

Excellent report.. whether

a person is for or against

prostitution.. there’s lots

of thoughts there.. for food.

Written by: Sam Dehne on Friday, Sep. 7, 2007 at 2:03 PM

What just a second there Steven. Are you really trying to provide a forum for discussion about a hot button and multi-faceted topic like legal prostitution? A discussion that requires reason, thoughtfulness, introspection, concession, and areas of gray? A discussion that will incite both natural and coerced bias? A discussion that will challenge the rationale for ones religious, moral, and ethical standards?

Who do you think we are, intellectuals?

I’ll say this; I think your case is well argued and thought out but you are operating under a couple assumptions:

1. “We’re perfectly willing to admit that there’s as much prostitution going on inside high-class hotels on the Strip as there is on Fremont Street.”

What proof do you have that that the quantity of prostitution (the quality is a completely different subject) is equal in these two different geographical and social circumstances? And why make that assumption; what does it prove?

2. Your main contention is that legalizing prostitution will eliminate, or greatly reduce, all harmful societal effects associated with prostitution; e.g. abusive pimps, sex slaves, STD’s, street corner soliciting, etc.

Again, where is the proof? Nye county? I need a little more assurance that the same societal conditions that may or may not make that the case in rural Pahrump, would translate into a major tourism based metropolitan like Las Vegas.

I’m glad that you “ordered Farley’s book, and will examine that as well as talk to local researchers and advocates for their views.” And I look forward to your insights, because as it stand right now I am not entirely convinced that legalizing prostitution wouldn’t augment the problems currently associated with prostitution rather than do away with them. Which is the assumption I am totally guilty of.

Written by: Pedro on Friday, Sep. 7, 2007 at 12:00 PM

Prostitution is tacitly legal in Vegas anyway. The only section of the Yellow Pages thicker than that for Attorneys is “Entertainers.” Note those aggravating mobile billboards crusing the strip and the countless illegals handing out those silly fliers for bimbos direct to your room. As long as all this is happening and the big gamers are cool with it (you don’t hear a peep from them on this subject, do you?), then what’s all the fuss? (NOte: Metro busts more prostitutes on downtown street corners and at storefront massage parlors than they do on the Strip. What does that tell you?) It’s here, it’s tolerated by those with money and power, so Oscar, shut up already.

Written by: The Penguin on Friday, Sep. 7, 2007 at 8:29 AM

Approval has our vote.

It would also send a message to the corrupt cops and judges who have been abusing the public for years, that we the people have the say so.

So yes, the soon the better. Anything to stick in their eye. Prostitution is not a crime.

Written by: Mr P on Friday, Sep. 7, 2007 at 3:48 AM
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